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« on: April 42, 04/17/08, 03:2008:45 PM »

I never really watch this particular person on TV but just had some general knowledge of the positions held.  What I saw here amazed me...and angered me as what this person believes and teaches about Jesus is quite likely deceiving MILLIONS...

I don't normally post much about like this, but, after watching this video and seeing another article on a major news network...wow...I just want people to know what's going on and spread the word about what this person is truly about.

The video is fairly long...so I encourage you to watch it when you have a few minutes...7 minutes long.  Disclaimer...it also makes reference to a particular political figure.  It is nothing for or against them, but, to make a point about where these sort of teachings are headed...so please don't tune out when they get to it near the end.

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=a2e3d7f2028dcf00555f   VIDEO

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351545,00.html  NEWS ARTICLE
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Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." John 14:6

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« Reply #1 on: April 00, 04/17/08, 08:2008:58 PM »


She has always been a self-professed angel worshipper. She worships the creation and not the creator. It is another New Age religion.

We need to keep people like her that command great audiences in our prayers. If she would come to the Cross many might listen that otherwise might not.
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 04/18/08, 08:2008:09 AM »

She has always been a self-professed angel worshipper. She worships the creation and not the creator. It is another New Age religion.

Oh really?  Wow...I didn't know that...

This is the first I'm hearing about her in this area...lol...shows how much I keep up with her eh?  I definately will be praying for her and those she reaches.  Imagine someone like her turning to God in faith and being on fire for Him...with a platform and resources to reach vast audiences for Jesus.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 04/18/08, 11:2008:03 AM »

I always feel fishy around Oprah... it is "too good to be true" around Oprah. Then some show I find very offensive, for example... she invite people to "promote" homosexuality and such. Dont get me wrong, I have compassion for those people but to promote those people upset me.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 04/19/08, 12:2008:30 AM »

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If she would come to the Cross

Sorry Deacon, but it is to Heavenly Father that she must come, not to the Cross. Sadly many christens focus on that too much and it pulls them away from the real meaning of what happened. I'm just looking out for you. Please don't take offense or disrepect at the post.
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« Reply #5 on: April 40, 04/19/08, 12:2008:16 AM »

my friend for it is written none many enter but through the son our ticket in a sense was bought and paid for at the cross  right the cross wont get you to heaven its what happened on it for with out it there would be no blood shed for our sins and  The Deacon is a very wise and knowledgeable Godly man  what i believe you have misinterped was that he was telling her to lay it at the feet of Jesus where we are suppose to take  our sinful nature to die and be born again cleanised by his blood   
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 04/19/08, 07:2008:08 AM »

I have anguished over some posts I saw today and wondered how to respond. So I will respond with the Truth of the Bible

Nighthawk. You are on point with what I was conveying.

I understand why the Last Sparten is saying what he is because his background lies in the LDS Church. Sparten, I mean no disrespect to you personally but we are theologically so very far apart. In fact, I have a very close friend of mine that is a fervent member of the LDS church in Utah. I pray for his salvation daily.

If you study the LDS teachings carefully, you will find the following theology (just hitting a couple of major points here) that is vastly different from the teaching of the Old and New Testaments:

1. God is an exalted "physical man"
2. Jesus is the Spirit child of God the Father who had a physical sexual union with Mary
3. Mormonism rejects the Trinity
4. Salvation is achieved through works. All will be saved except a few sons of perdition
5. Salvation is possible even after death
6. Hell is not eternal but a temporal purgatory
7. Man has the capacity to evolve into godhood
8. Good works cancel the penalty of sin
9. They refer to the Second Coming of "the god" Joseph Smith (Journal of Discourses 7:289; 5:19
10. Whereever the Bible disagrees with the book of mormon, the Bible is considered incorrect

These are just but a few things where mormonism and the LDS church stray from the teachings of the Bible.

I have studied this issue at length because of my close friends association with that church but I am by no means an expert on the issue.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 04/19/08, 11:2008:11 AM »

I know this is off topic of the thread, but I have to ask. Have you, Deacon, actually read the Book of Morman all the way through and actually prayed about it with an open mind? You might find it enlightening. The Book of Morman is just another testament of Christ. It does not replace the Bible, it just supplements it.

And we do not wait for the secound coming of Joseph Smith, but Jesus Christ himself. Good works don't cancel the penalty of sin, repentance does.

I need to go or I would write more. And again I mean no disrespect.
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 04/19/08, 05:2008:15 PM »

I am a student of history, philosophy and theology. I want this to stay on a non-personal basis as it is not my intent to disrespect you but rather to challenge you to consider the info I am putting forth. So, I will primarily use examples from your churches own writings. As in many cases, people fail to conduct an in depth study of what they believe in including not only "all" the theological data but also any supporting historical data.

Also, if you place all your faith in a religion that you believe in, you should really learn how to spell "mormon". And yes, I have purposely chosen not to capitilize the name of the church.

Your church may not overtly say it is waiting for the second coming of Joseph Smith but the mormon writings support that they are. I have even quoted this from one of your "many" mormon books.

It is the position of the LDS Church that the book of mormon is another testament of Christ. It is not the position of Christians.

When God spoke through men to put the Bible to writing it was there to be read for all to see.

The LDS church projects the book of mormon as the primary theological book they believe in. But they say little about the various other books that the LDS church follows that conflict with both the book of mormon and the Bible. One must keep everything in context and read all the books together that forms everything a religion professes and its people believes in. For instance Islam primarily uses the Quoran but also uses the Bible and other books to a lessor degree and many conflict with each other.

John Smith allegedly found some gold tablets and was given some rose colored glasses in order to read the tablets. No one could translate the tablets except Smith which were the basis for the book of mormon and the mormon church. So if we are to believe in mormonism we must trust the translation of some tablets by an faliable man. Sorry, I do not put my trust in any man, just in God and Christ. Smith was known to perform ritualistic magic amd was involved in using peep stones to receive psychic information.

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Good works don't cancel the penalty of sin, repentance does.
My point exactly. This is the position of the mormon church, however, Christians believe that the Grace of Jesus Christ is the only thing that can forgive your sins not any works. Christ shed His blood so that we might have eternal life. But we must also accept Christ as our personal saviour. Mormonism believes that "repentance" incorporates "works"

Smith was a known diviner and the Bible preaches against those engaged in divination.

Many prophecies announced by Smith never came true including those that he said would come true in his own lifetime.

Other LDS prophecies did not come true such as the prophecy that Brigham Young would become President of the United States

In studing the teachings of the various books of the mormon church they are really polytheistic and not monotheistic. Anotherwords they believe and are open to many gods. There are men who are accepted to have evolved into godhood. This is where mormon followers become really uncomfortable with that challenge.

But lets look at Joseph Smith's own words: "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods;and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and the people in it." (Doctrines of the Gospel; page 16).

Or, the creation account found in mormon scripture in the Pearl of Great Price: At the beginning....the Gods (plural) organized and formed the heavens and the earth....

Joseph Smith said this about Christian pastors: "they are of their father the devil....."

In 1 Nephi, chapters 13, 14 and elsewhere the book of mormon calls the Christian Church "a church which is most abominable above all other churches"..."it is founded by the devil" and etc.

I could go on if you would like....
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 04/19/08, 11:2008:40 PM »

Please do, some of this is new to me. I have never heard of the Doctrines of the Gospel. Oh! and in the Second Coming everyone who has died will be resurrected, if that is what you mean by the second coming of Joseph Smith. And I usually spell Mormon right.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 04/19/08, 11:2008:18 PM »

I forgot to say this in the last post, Mormon isn't the name of our church, it's just a nickname.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 04/20/08, 04:2008:39 PM »

When you consider that she and and Obama go to the same "church", is there any surprise?

"Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left." by Jonah Goldberg
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