Example of a pathetic cliche want-a-bee 'Christian'

[Mouko OCS]

if gay marraige wasn't a national GOP issue, would you be debating this?

Yes, because it is not simply a "GOP issue."  Aren't you listening?  We speak out against it because that is the truth and part of what we are as Christians.  We don't get to pick and choose what we believe.  The truth is the truth and a Christian is to LIVE his/her faith always, not just when it suites us.  We don't just live it when it's campaign season...you just so happen to hear it a little louder then because the media is out in full force attempting to refute the truth.

it makes me mad (better?) because everyone here appears to think that Jesus is a republican.

This is not a republican or democrat or WHATEVER issue (I honestly can't believe you made that analogy...it shows the same lack of maturity you are accusing others of) it's an issue of GOD'S TRUTH vs the lies of satan.  Unfortunately, the reason you hear so much debate is because neither side seems to understand or know just what they believe (or even care for that matter) more than they just know how they "feel" about it...which is NOT the best place to start.

Some of us need to take some time and cool off as well as some are not VIEWING what is being said and seeing only what we want to see.  I understand everyone's zeal on this and feel every bit as you do.  But some are letting their emotions get the best of them.  Be careful you are not speaking only to be heard by man and kicking at the wind.

[Nighthawk]

if gay marraige wasn't a national GOP issue, would you be debating this?

it makes me mad (better?) because everyone here appears to think that Jesus is a republican.

 well Friend we are not here to debate anything much less argue with you and as for Jesus he is our Lord and savior dont think he would approve of the way your throwing his name around either because i sure dont and you need to stop attacking Elad also and as for OCS this is a great group of people here trying our best to take his word to the world .we are not perfect nor will we ever be but you need to respect us we will be glad to listen to your point of view but do it respetcfuly this is a wonderful place to post and read about Gods movement its ment to be enjoyed and occasionaly a vent or two but do it tastefully so with that Jesus Loves you then now and forever

[LXS-StormChaser]

we are not perfect nor will we ever be but you need to respect us   

i wasnt the one to post this thread.

[Assassin Xaero]

Ok... to start this off, I only read the first few posts and I'm expecting to get banned for this, but oh well... if you have any problems with anything I say, you can email me (alex122790@gmail.com) if you want to discuss it. I didn't not come and waste my time here to argue or to start trouble, I'm defending what I believe to be right.

Outcast Combat Soldiers... name doesn't fit. Unless you mean that you outcast people who don't believe everything that was written in a book. Seems pretty hypocritical to me. I highly doubt any of you really know what it is like to be an outcast. You guys all need to grow up. You guys are outcasting someone just because they don't believe what you believe. That would be like me saying "Oh, you don't like metal? Well, you are not worth of being around me". I honestly can't stand people like you. I was friends with some people like that, then they found out that I don't go to church, read the bible, or believe most of that stuff, and the quit talking to me. I have nothing against anyone who is religious, just people who lack the ability to respect what other people believe.

I made almost died a few days after my birthday a few years ago, and after that I had known that someone or something was watching over me. For about a year after that I had believe I was one of those Christians. Who read the bible, who worshiped God and Jesus, and faith, or whatever, and all that stuff. Then at school one day, at some christian thing on Friday mornings, one of my teachers said "You guys are Christians, you are better than everyone else and they look up to you on how they should act". Ummm, No. Christians are NOT better than everyone else. Nobody is better than anybody else. That is the truth. You can either learn that or just live in denial for the rest of your life. Then, after that had annoyed me, I started to have thoughts, and that screwed up the whole faith thing (as a great man once said).

I also love how you guys call it the truth. And I also find it offensive since it is against what I believe. From what I've seen, heard, thought about... A lot of things that have been proven in everyday life contradict what the bible has said. Also, as another one of my idols has stated, who wrote the bible? How did anyone know that stuff actually happened when nobody was around to see it? Anyway, enough with that...

Someone wanted to be a cheerleader... and...? What is the big deal? Who said it you have to be gay to do it? Because mostly the opposite gender does it means you have to be gay to do it? So, if girls want to play football, get a job, or anything else that has a higher ratio of men to women, does that make them lesbians? I don't see any difference in it. People have called me certain things, like, for example the Antichrist, because of the music I listen to. Yeah, so I listen to anti christian music, that doesn't mean I'm the Antichrist or anything... And if you disagree with that, then learn to think. Do you have to be gay to listen to Queen?

Another thing... you have NO RIGHT to tell people that they are not really christian because they don't follow something written in a book. None of you are really christian then. If I remember, there was something on the lines of 'Thou shall not kill'. Well... you all play a game where you go around and kill each other. Very unchristian like if you ask me, but then again, I'm as close to atheist as you can get while still believe in some sort of guardian thingy watching over me.

So yeah... can't remember what else I was going to post, but meh... I'll survive. As I said, I'm expecting to get banned for this so I'm not going to bother to return to this site ever again. Like I said... if you have any problems with this, feel free to email me... Besides that, have fun going against the word and killing people on Black Hawk Down, Call of Duty 4, or whatever games you guys are playing now days...

[Elad OCS]

Tex, you made it public in the gameserver..... Yes, you got me fired up as what you said is serious and wrong.
2nd, Others think like you do and hopefully this topic will be a 'shock n awe' to waken up to evil that is out there.
3rd, The democrate platform has always been for abortion and gay rights past 30-40 years. Democratic courts
        have thrown out God is schools and in government. And hate crimes for just quoting some bible passages.
        Sadly, there are some republicans doing the same. I am conservative, not a republican anymore...
        But, far more republicans are against abortions and same sex marriages that the deep left liberals.
        You'll find most Christian leaders (politicans) are in the republican camp, not demo's.
4th, Someone needs to pick on you. How else to wake you up to your ways? You rather I be quiet and let you die in your
       sins?  No, its a duty for Christians to warn. Offering you candy or syurp on toast is not going to get your attention.
       I have your attention now, don't  I.
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Welcome Assassin.
No, your not going to get banned unless you start using foul language. We invite you to take part in Biblecamp.

We here do believe what the bible teaches. You do not (you said 'close to an atheist as you can get') and we will pray for you too.

We are also commanded to past judgement on others who claim to  be christians, to reproach those that are out of line.
But, if you do not believe a "book" then you will not understand were we are coming from.

Yes, Outcast Combat Soldiers. Outcast from the world view that many like you have against us, the bible, & God...

As for "thou shall not kill" it is wrong. No such passage...
Its, 'thou shall not murder'.

God sent His people (isreal) into many wars to kill the wicked... You will have to take that up with Him, the author.

[Mouko OCS]

Well, since you are not going to return ever again (I love it when people do that so they feel like they're getting away with something), I'll respond for the benefit of those who will.

First point made about being outcast.  Fact is, the world does not accept the things of God, nor God, nor His children, as they are an offense to the world. (1 Cor 2:14; Romans 9:33; 1 Peter 2:8.)  Why are they a offense to the world? John 3:19 tells us because the world loved darkness rather than the light...why...because their deeds were evil.  You doubt we know what being outcast is like?  Honestly, I think I'd almost agree with that...to an extent...because we as Christians do not experience, by and large, persecution in the States as do many Christians outside the USA...yet many do, and are treated as outcasts due to the fact that they live for Christ and not according to the world's twisted sense of morality.  Disagree?  Look around...

Another point made was that we have the lack of ability to respect what other's believe.  You are looking at this from a lost man's point of view.  We see the world's view of things and how it stands in contrast to God.  Out of love for God we seek to tell the world who God is and what He's done so that they may know Him as we do...and to truly know Him is an awesome thing.  The ones here that do know what I mean.  So, no, we don't respect lies and deceit that only destroy.  

Are Christians "better" than non-Christians?  Boy that's a loaded question and statement.  One that invites trouble either way you answer almost.  In God's eyes, His children are being made into the likeness of Jesus, the only perfect life, and therefore, we are holy.  Does that mean we are better?  Well, we are definately in a better state to say the least, as when we die, we enter paradise with the perfect Lord we serve.  The Bible describes the Christian as the salt of the earth (Matthew 5:13).  What does salt do?  Preserves, adds flavor, heals...so the love of the Lord manifested through His children, yes, is better for the world.

I love it when people say there are so many contradictions in the Bible when compared to the world...and never mention them.  Yet again, supposed contradictions are often seen as such by a world that not only does not comprehend the salvation of God, it CAN NOT fathom it and therefore can not come to Him nor understand Him (John 6:44; 1 Cor 2:14).  So for a non-believer to say there are many contradictions is NO surprise at all...because the entire Word at it's essence is contradictory to the world's understanding of itself.

"How did anyone know that stuff actually happened when nobody was around to see it?"  Heh, follow that same logic with your birth.  None of us, to our knowledge, was around to see you born...but we know it happened.  No man was around to see the world's beginnings, yet here we are living in it.

Now on to cheerleading...who said it was gay to be a cheerleader?  I think most would agree that just because a guy is a cheerleader does not mean he's gay.

In some sense, you are correct in that we can not see the heart of man to say whether he is or is not saved.  HOWEVER, we can see the fruits of a man's life, which include his words, actions, etc., and often make safe assumptions, as long as those assumptions lead us to share the truth with them.  The Bible shows us what and how we are affected by the Holy Spirit when we are saved.  As far as us claiming the Bible as truth, well, only the Holy Spirit can convict you of that...although if you do some research, there is physical evidence that supports or substantiates many things in the Word.

Moving on.  As for us playing a video game where we kill people...well, that can be debated many different ways...probably to no satisfaction on either side.

As for your getting banned, personally, I don't see why you would be.  In fact, you're making judgements about us much the same as you're condemning of us.  So, is it ok for you to do so based on what you believe about us from your understanding based on the world's convictions and not ok for us to actually LIVE according to what we believe based on the very Word of God...whom if the world embraced would lead to the healing of the land in more ways than one, which I believe we can all agree the world needs? (2 Chronicles 7:14)

I hope you do come back even though you say you won't.  Either way I'll pray for you...as I'm sure others will.  I'll send this to you in email as well.  I just hope that while you're in here in apparent defense of your friend, which in a way I can appreciate, I pray you'll see that you need to take inventory of yourself as well.  The God of all creation has provided the truth to you.  My hope is that your turning from it is not a permament state, or else the future for you is, tragically, hopeless.  There comes a point that after having been shown the truth, that a man turns from it so much that God lets him go to his own desires (Psalm 81:12;  Romans 1:24-32)...I pray you have not come to that point.

[JudgeDred]

Pop Quiz:  How many people here would without a  doubt trade places with someone they knew was going to go to Hell, take their place and allow them to go to Heaven. I know of only one person that was on this earth that would have been capable of doing that. Mother Teresa was that person, even with all the good that she did, the belief that she carried in her heart, she still did not see herself as a Christian or feel the slightest worthiness to be allowed into Heaven. This IS the type of person I would want to emulate if I felt I even  had the slightest possibility of being that type of a person. But there is one thing that I know to be true for all of us, NONE of us are worthy. I only hope that we all can see that no matter how hard we try, I try, you try, entry into to either Heaven or Hell is neither a certainty nor absolute. We can only trust in the Lord's wisdom and understanding that will grant any of us a final resting place.

[LionOfJudah OCS]

ok, now my 2 cents. CHRISTIANS ARE NOT PERFECT! JUST FORGIVIN   i support elad and agree with him. are we going to allow someone to come into the server and announce that they are satan worshippers. i am not and will ban them straight away. if you are gay ( or into any other perversion )and want to play keep your mouth shut about it, do NOT bring it up and play the game. why are we even argueing with tex, elad attempted to counsel tex the best way he could and tex continued to argue. most of you on this post has tried but apparently you are not going to change his mind. i say quit argueing with him ban him from the game and forumsand let the lord deal with him. if he ever changes his mind and goes with the LORDS way of thinking let him back but  to continue with this is going to get others upset. if tex wants to talk about this with someone it should be done with his pastor and the lord. as for what assassin said i will let someone else comment on that. now judge i will say only this about your post and please dont be offended by my straight talk BUT you forgot about the most important person ever. he died for all who were going to hell. JESUS CHRIST. i know i am saved and i know i am going to heaven to see our LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST. do you know how i know? because it says so in GODS word the holy bible and i believe every word in the king james bible from front to back. sorry mouko and deacon and judge dred if i offended you, i in no way meant to.  oh and by the way i think obama is a undercover terrorist.

[Heff OCS]

Well  I guess Ole' Heff needs to put in his two cents worth.  First off I do not claim to be an authority on the Bible but then again I am not ignorant either.  While I may not have handled this incident in the same manner I can see both sides.  So without further ado I shall begin.

The primary topic of this post is the subject of Homosexuality.  First off they are Homosexuals not 'Gay'.  The word "gay" means merry, exuberant, bright, lively.  In its original use it did not have a double meaning. The adaptation of the word "gay" by homosexuals has robbed it of its pure meaning, thereby corrupting a once perfectly good word.  There are many bright, exuberant, merry people in this world who are not Homosexuals.

Does God Love Homosexuals?  YES,  God Loves all his children without exception.

John 3:16
26-For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Does God hate the sin of Homosexuality?  YES, without a doubt.

Laviticus 18:22
22-Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10   
9 -Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10- Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Leviticus 20:13
13-If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:24-31
24- Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 -Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 -For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27- And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29- Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 -Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31- Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 -Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Without quoting any more verses I think it is quite plain that from the above verses, that God does not only finds the act of Homosexuality a sin but an abomination worthy of DEATH.

1. Tex/thecheerguy-While I probably would not have handled this in the same way I am somewhat dissappointed in your beleifs and the way you have handled yourself in these posts.  You claim to be a Christian yet you appear to approve of the Homosexual Lifestyle.  I am sorry but that is a contridiction of terms.  All I see from your posts is anger. 

2.Assassin Xaero-While I have never played with you I have read your post.  First off, No  I will not be emailing you.  You attack me, OCS, and run away.  Your post is filled with anger and apparently very little thought went into it.  There are NO contridictions in the Bible.  I hear a lot of people crying that there is but I have yet to see anyone post one.  The reason why is because there aren't any.  God Loves all his children, Christian and nonChristian.  The difference between a Christian and a nonChristian is a nonChristian will never make it to Heaven.  BHD is a game, nobody dies.  We really don't kill anyone.  I can't count the number of time someone has come into the server mouthing off about how 'bad' a Christian I am for killing people in a game.  It is always a nonChristian that thinks they know enough about the Bible to put me in my place when in fact they are only showing their true intelligence or lack of it.  Yes, there is some anger in this paragraph.

3. Hi Judge, good to see you posting.  The answer to your pop quiz is No One.  While Mother Teresa was a kind and caring person if she was truely not saved than sadly she is not in Heaven.  There are a multitude of people who have done a lot of good deeds and great things that are burning in Hell as we speak.  There is only one way to the Kingdom of God and that is through the Blood of Jesus Christ. 

[Elad OCS]

Please note that Tex also argues for abortion as well. Always brining up the life of the mother at stake. What is the percentage of such? 1% or less? But Tex does not address the 99% of a million babies in America each year being slaughtered.

JD, Lion, Heff, besides Jesus - who did take our place, there was also Moses who offered himself.
Recall when they were wondering in the wilderness for 40yrs and sinned, God wanted to destroy the whole nation, but Moses pleaded and ask the Lord to take him instead. The Lord's anger relented...

I do not know much of anything about Mother Teresa as am not Catholic. But I know a number of great Catholic men who loves the Lord and will be in heaven someday.
 I will say this thou, ALL have sinned which has to include not only Mother Teresa, but Mary the Mother of Jesus as well.
Certainly God found favor in her to grant such an honor and she is to be respected, but not worshiped.
We are to bow down & worship God only. This gets real touchy and I do not want to offend fellow believers, but unbelievers I will.
I certainly do not want this post to go off in this direction...

Please use Biblecamp... Its full of great resources, examples, humor and love.

I do know that I love my wife and I would die for her. Am sure a lot would do the same for thiers if we could.
But we can't take anothers place in hell. Jesus is the one who holds the keys to hades...
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This topic will soon be locked. It served its purpose to expose the lack of understanding among self-called christians, and Christians as well.

[The Deacon OCS]

i know i am saved and i know i am going to heaven to see our LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST. do you know how i know? because it says so in GODS word the holy bible and i believe every word in the king james bible from front to back. sorry mouko and deacon and judge dred if i offended you, i in no way meant to.  oh and by the way i think obama is a undercover terrorist.

Lion - read your post, I can't see why your post would offend Mouko or myself. You are right on point. Mouko and I would try to reason with Tex but he is not ready to be taught God's Word.

If Tex returns with a contrite and teachable heart then we can show him the error of his theology through God's word. The same word that he says he believes in.

I would mention that I have read a PM from Tex and the dribble is even worse than what he has posted for the public to see. He is 16 and I would challenge his life long (albeit very short) understanding of the Bible.

Great responses here

[Bath Bronco]

A lot of misdirected anger flying around in this thread. forgive me if i'm wrong but doesn't every u.s bill have 'in god we trust' printed on it. so surely if an American president to be is promoting abortion, then he is promoting a non Christian country(which is exactly the opposite of what America was created to be). Tex, OCS is only trying to help you and others gain a proper outlook on life. and rightly said lion that Christians aren't perfect, but we try daily to improve ourselves and be better people. i'd just like to say one more thing, everyone just relax a little bit. we are all supposed to be friends here and all children of god.

[Tigerlily]

Hi guys,

I have told Elad what happened to Tex on our website last night, and I am suggesting for the sake of our hearts to close this subject.
He has been argueing back and forth from our website to here.  Our admins finally had enough of it, and agreed to ban him from our website.  He is not going to listen to us about this topic.  The only way he will listen is if the lord came down, and told him face to face. I will continue to pray for him about this.   I think it is time to move on. 

Thanks,

Meerkat=GA=

[Mouko OCS]

Lion, you haven't offended me at all brother...not in the least...I'm in agreement with Deacon on this now.  I believe it's time to close this up and continue to pray for all this.

Heff, about the word "gay," good point.  As for God loving those who's identity is homosexual...I'd have to argue that point somewhat, but that's another discussion.  Those who are, by identity, a homosexual, the Bible says are hell-bound.  A Christian, by identity, is now of the nature of Jesus Christ, therefore heaven-bound.  But, again, that's another topic...one definately worth discussing.

Judge, actually, Paul himself said that of his own countrymen,

Romans 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed, [separated] from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh,

And yes, there is absolutely knowledge of where we will end up after we die...the Bible speaks an ABUNDANCE of times about that very thing...to name a few verses, VERY few (some of my personal favorites): John 3:16,18; Romans 8:28-30; Romans 10:9-11.
As far as Mother Teresa goes, her good deads all amount to SQUAT in how they deal with her salvation.  If she did not put her full trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as her Savior and the ONLY way to God (John 14:6)...it saddens me to say her eternal destiny is NOT with God, but seperated from Him in hell.  If she did, then she is with God.  I don't know one way or another as I never knew much about her or what she believed.

Folks, for all this topic brings up, one thing should be abundantly clear, we NEED TO KNOW THE WORD OF GOD.  Not just THINK we know it, we need to KNOW it.  Our lives are to conform to Christ, not the world.  The Word shows us the path to follow...and that is JESUS ALONE.  If in all my long-windedness you've ever picked up on ONE thing I've tried to relay to everyone, is that it is so utterly ESSENTIAL that we know the Word of God...not pop-culture's idea, not our own understanding or "pick-and-choose" theology, not what sounds good, but what it SAYS IN THE WORD.  It may sound like I'm angry or upset...I'm not...I care about ALL of you and want us ALL to know just what God has for those who LOVE HIM...so you could say I'm being PASSIONATE about this.

If you hear nothing else of what I've said, hear this please!!  Learn the Word...because in it and through it and the Holy Spirit, we KNOW GOD...

Philippians 3:8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish in order that I may gain Christ,

[Tigerlily]

Hi guys,

I just received a pm from Tex/cheerguy.  With an apology.  He asked me to post it.  Please read below.

Thanks,  Meerkat=GA=

From Tex/cheerguy

sorry if i have been unreasonable.
its just that everywhere i turn, these "christians" do nothing but cut people down, and hate gay people without knowing them first, and almost discount the fact theat Jesus died for them too. it was like a "vent" post i had on the website... i am taking an indefinate break.

sorry i called you a hypocrite.. i am too.

if oyu could, please post this.


if you want to say anything please heres my email:

farmerboy4640@yahoo.com

sorry.

[TheLastSparten OCS]

Another thing... you have NO RIGHT to tell people that they are not really christian because they don't follow something written in a book.

I like that statement.



That apology statement doesn't seem so sincere after what I have read in this post.

Just my opinion.

[Mouko OCS]

Well Sparten, that "book" he's referring to is the Bible...which we follow.  Granted, as I've said before in response to that...

In some sense, you are correct in that we can not see the heart of man to say whether he is or is not saved.  HOWEVER, we can see the fruits of a man's life, which include his words, actions, etc., and often make safe assumptions, as long as those assumptions lead us to share the truth with them.  The Bible shows us what and how we are affected by the Holy Spirit when we are saved.  As far as us claiming the Bible as truth, well, only the Holy Spirit can convict you of that...although if you do some research, there is physical evidence that supports or substantiates many things in the Word.

It's not a one-time thing we look at in a person's life, it's the pattern of their life that shows a man's heart.  Does a man's pattern of life show the love of God or is it the same as the world's?  Is the nature of the man that of being made like Jesus (Romans 8:29) or that of being CONSISTENT with the world's ways?  We CAN NOT truly know the heart of a man, yes.  But, again, we can get a GOOD idea.

And as for your opinion of the apology, well, you're right, it's your opinion.  It is not to OCS, in MY opinion, that apologies are due.  It is a change of heart and mind to what God's Holy Word teaches us about God, what Jesus has done for us, and what His ways are so that we would follow Him.

[TheLastSparten OCS]

Mouko when I said I liked that Statement I knew it was about the Bible.

What I was referring to was how other Christians view the LDS Church.  Now this is definitely another topic entirely we should keep it at that.

It was just a light hearted post meant to aliveate some of the seriousnous in the topic. Sorry if it was inappropriate.

[Mouko OCS]

Now this is definitely another topic entirely we should keep it at that.

Yeah, we had that discussion already...heh heh.

[Elad OCS]

Yes, this topic is now closed.
I recommend goingto Biblecamp for further discussions.
I wanted this topic to run its course, and it has.

Its nice to see Tex has soften somewhat, but he still does not see whats wrong with homo's...
Were not to have a 'gay old time' (the Flintstones cartoon theme song) with those who continue in sin.